Legislature(1999 - 2000)

01/26/1999 01:35 PM House FIN

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GENERAL SUBJECT(S):                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Time Meeting Convened: 1:35 P.M.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Tape HFC 99 - 5, Side 1.                                                                                                        
Tape HFC 99 - 5, Side 2.                                                                                                        
Tape HFC 99 - 6, Side 1.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT:                                                                                                                        
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Representative G. Davis                                                                                                         
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Co-Chair Therriault                                                                                                             
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Representative Foster                                                                                                           
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Co-Chair Mulder                                                                                                                 
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Representative Grussendorf                                                                                                      
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Representative Austerman                                                                                                        
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Representative Kohring                                                                                                          
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Representative Bunde                                                                                                            
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Representative  Moses                                                                                                           
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Representative J. Davies                                                                                                        
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Representative Williams                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT:                                                                                                                   
DAVID TEAL, DIRECTOR, LEGISLATIVE FINANCE; DAN SPENCER, CHIEF FISCAL                                                            
ANALYST, OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET; JEFFREY BUSH, DEPUTY                                                                  
COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT; MIKE                                                             
IRWIN, COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL AFFAIRS;                                                              
REMOND HENDERSON, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL AFFAIRS; TOM LAWSON, DIRECTOR,                                                             
DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES, DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE AND                                                                 
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
LOG                                                                                                                             
SPEAKER                                                                                                                         
DISCUSSION                                                                                                                      
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Tape 5, Side 1                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder                                                                                                                 
Co-Chair Mulder convened the HFC                                                                                                
meeting at 1:35 p.m.  He stated                                                                                                 
that the budget for Department of                                                                                               
Community and Regional Affairs                                                                                                  
would be chaired by Representative                                                                                              
Austerman                                                                                                                       
COMMISSIONER IRWIN                                                                                                              
COMMISSIONER,                                                                                                                   
DEPARTMENT OF                                                                                                                   
COMMUNITY AND                                                                                                                   
REGIONAL AFFAIRS                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AND                                                                                                     
REGIONAL AFFAIRS                                                                                                                
Provided Committee members with a                                                                                               
copy of the handout #1. He spoke                                                                                                
to the job training program also                                                                                                
called the STEP program and other                                                                                               
programs administered by the                                                                                                    
federal government.  With Welfare                                                                                               
Reform, Department of Community                                                                                                 
and Regional Affairs has assumed                                                                                                
many new responsibilities.                                                                                                      
Commissioner Irwin                                                                                                              
Continued speaking to the Division                                                                                              
of Energy specifically for rural                                                                                                
Alaska and other coastal zone                                                                                                   
management programs.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Irwin                                                                                                              
Spoke to the trend in reduction of                                                                                              
General Fund dollars and the                                                                                                    
departments looking to new federal                                                                                              
funding sources.                                                                                                                
Commissioner Irwin                                                                                                              
Department has cut General Fund                                                                                                 
dollars by +.The GF dollars for                                                                                                 
personal service costs has been                                                                                                 
decreased more than 30%; although                                                                                               
the total budget has grown.                                                                                                     
Commissioner Irwin                                                                                                              
Highlighted the change inFY2000                                                                                                 
budget and the ChildCare Grants                                                                                                 
increase.  (referenced pg. 3 of                                                                                                 
handout #1.) Proposing increase to                                                                                              
tobacco tax to help fund this                                                                                                   
grant program.  Also, proposing,                                                                                                
due to increased demand add                                                                                                     
2.7dollars to childcare budget                                                                                                  
through the federal receipts.                                                                                                   
Commissioner Irwin                                                                                                              
In addition, $3.million expansion                                                                                               
to the Head Start Program                                                                                                       
REMOND HENDERSON,                                                                                                               
DIRECTOR, DIVISION                                                                                                              
OF ADMINISTRATIVE                                                                                                               
SERVICES,                                                                                                                       
DEPARTMENT OF                                                                                                                   
COMMUNITY AND                                                                                                                   
REGIONAL AFFAIRS                                                                                                                
Reiterated the increase to the                                                                                                  
Child care programs.                                                                                                            
Co-Chair Mulder                                                                                                                 
Questioned the status of power                                                                                                  
fund equalization                                                                                                               
Mr. Henderson                                                                                                                   
Stated that there is taskforce                                                                                                  
looking at that funding issue.  He                                                                                              
noted that there is a $17 million                                                                                               
dollar request.                                                                                                                 
Co-Chair Mulder                                                                                                                 
Asked how much money in the PCU at                                                                                              
present time                                                                                                                    
Mr. Henderson                                                                                                                   
Stated that there is a projection                                                                                               
of $3.5 million $                                                                                                               
Co-Chair Mulder                                                                                                                 
Asked how this worked in the                                                                                                    
Governors Plan                                                                                                                  
DAN SPENCER, CHIEF                                                                                                              
BUDGET ANALYST,                                                                                                                 
OFFICE OF                                                                                                                       
MANAGEMENT AND                                                                                                                  
BUDGET                                                                                                                          
Explained that there would be a                                                                                                 
meeting with the Governor and that                                                                                              
there have been no recommendations                                                                                              
at this time.                                                                                                                   
Co-Chair Mulder                                                                                                                 
Thought this would count as less                                                                                                
than a budget reduction if the PCE                                                                                              
fund was gf                                                                                                                     
Commissioner Irwin                                                                                                              
Noted that the recommendations                                                                                                  
would be done by Feb 8th.                                                                                                       
Several options before the                                                                                                      
Governor consider straight gf                                                                                                   
options                                                                                                                         
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Representative                                                                                                                  
Bunde                                                                                                                           
Asked why short falls are being                                                                                                 
covered by empty balances                                                                                                       
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Mr. Spencer                                                                                                                     
Explained that there are statutory                                                                                              
provisions                                                                                                                      
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Co-Chair Mulder                                                                                                                 
Asked how to follow that in the                                                                                                 
book of the PCE situation.                                                                                                      
1095                                                                                                                            
Remond Henderson                                                                                                                
Explained how it was calculated                                                                                                 
for the determination.  There is                                                                                                
not complete funding for the                                                                                                    
determination.                                                                                                                  
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Dan Spencer                                                                                                                     
Explained how the sources of                                                                                                    
recurring revenue occurred.                                                                                                     
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Co-Chair Therriault                                                                                                             
Referenced the Head Start                                                                                                       
operations and the mix indicated                                                                                                
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Com Irwin                                                                                                                       
Replied that it was the increase                                                                                                
would come from a federal source.                                                                                               
1201                                                                                                                            
Mr. Henderson                                                                                                                   
Stated that the federal funds for                                                                                               
the program do not come through                                                                                                 
their department.                                                                                                               
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Dan Spencer                                                                                                                     
Explained the detailed budget                                                                                                   
books and based on the commission,                                                                                              
there is not a $9 million dollar                                                                                                
request at this time.  The intent                                                                                               
is that the Commission will make                                                                                                
the recommendation.                                                                                                             
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Representative G.                                                                                                               
Davis                                                                                                                           
Pointed out theFY99 level and                                                                                                   
those in previous years the Office                                                                                              
of the Governor had recommended                                                                                                 
reductions in those areas.                                                                                                      
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Representative                                                                                                                  
Austerman                                                                                                                       
Employee positions                                                                                                              
1340                                                                                                                            
Commissioner Irwin                                                                                                              
Explained the department's                                                                                                      
responsibilities for the North                                                                                                  
Star Borough that are now being                                                                                                 
assigned as new state employees.                                                                                                
There are several new positions                                                                                                 
connected with the Welfare to Work                                                                                              
efforts-three new positions and                                                                                                 
support staff.                                                                                                                  
1423                                                                                                                            
Remond Henderson                                                                                                                
Added three in the Energy Section                                                                                               
1440                                                                                                                            
Co-Chair Therriault                                                                                                             
Are they all federal funds                                                                                                      
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Remond Henderson                                                                                                                
Understood that program was                                                                                                     
entirely federal funds                                                                                                          
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Co-Chair Therriault                                                                                                             
Why returned to the department                                                                                                  
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Commissioner Irwin                                                                                                              
Explained why program came back to                                                                                              
the department                                                                                                                  
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He did not know the details of the                                                                                              
program                                                                                                                         
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Representative                                                                                                                  
Bunde                                                                                                                           
Referenced the handout and asked                                                                                                
about the total referenced GF                                                                                                   
funds                                                                                                                           
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Commissioner Irwin                                                                                                              
Explained revenue sharing grants                                                                                                
and administration of the                                                                                                       
programs.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
They are totaled together which is                                                                                              
helpful for the subcommittee                                                                                                    
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Co-Chair Therriault                                                                                                             
Marine Safety funding                                                                                                           
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Representative                                                                                                                  
Foster                                                                                                                          
Thought that the blue ribbon                                                                                                    
committee was not okay. He asked                                                                                                
why support to that committee was                                                                                               
so in adequate                                                                                                                  
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Commissioner Irwin                                                                                                              
The Department is working on this                                                                                               
concern and is looking for a                                                                                                    
solution that will also be                                                                                                      
supported by the Governor and will                                                                                              
not entail General Funding.                                                                                                     
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Representative                                                                                                                  
Foster                                                                                                                          
Reiterated that the department                                                                                                  
does not have the needed sense of                                                                                               
urgency.                                                                                                                        
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Co-Chair Therriault                                                                                                             
Pointed out that it only has 50%                                                                                                
of the money needed to fund it.                                                                                                 
He did not know how to fund it                                                                                                  
from other than a gf source.                                                                                                    
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Representative                                                                                                                  
Austerman                                                                                                                       
Asked if there would be a meeting                                                                                               
before the subcommittee PCE meets.                                                                                              
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Commissioner Irwin                                                                                                              
Stated that PCE would meet before.                                                                                              
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Representative G.                                                                                                               
Davis                                                                                                                           
Day Care Assistant would be the                                                                                                 
only place using those dollars                                                                                                  
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Commissioner Irwin                                                                                                              
From the settlement.  He did not                                                                                                
know the total amount and how it                                                                                                
would be spread throughout the                                                                                                  
entire administration budget.                                                                                                   
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Co-Chair Therriault                                                                                                             
Requested a list of that spread                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HFC 99-5 Side 2                                                                                                                 
TAPE CHANGE                                                                                                                     
JEFF BUSH, DEPUTY                                                                                                               
COMMISSIONER,                                                                                                                   
DEPARTMENT OF                                                                                                                   
COMMERCE AND                                                                                                                    
ECONOMIC                                                                                                                        
DEVELOPMENT                                                                                                                     
DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE AND                                                                                                      
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT                                                                                                            
Spoke to attachment #3.  Page two                                                                                               
provides a quick overview of the                                                                                                
budget.  The request is for $54                                                                                                 
million from all funding sources.                                                                                               
He pointed out the amount from the                                                                                              
general fund.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bush                                                                                                                        
$30.8 million is funded from non-                                                                                               
gf sources.                                                                                                                     
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Mr. Bush                                                                                                                        
Page 16 - annual pie chart and the                                                                                              
departments slice of the ttl                                                                                                    
general fund budget.  .39%                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bush                                                                                                                        
Approximately 2/3 of the budget                                                                                                 
goes to the tourism budget.  Trade                                                                                              
and Development is another piece                                                                                                
of the budget.  Of the $7.8gf                                                                                                   
dollars only 2.6% goes to                                                                                                       
administrative services.                                                                                                        
Generally, endowment earnings are                                                                                               
used.                                                                                                                           
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Mr. Bush                                                                                                                        
Historical trend for the                                                                                                        
department  - Page 18. In1990, the                                                                                              
Department was a bread even                                                                                                     
agency. At the time, the                                                                                                        
department is a revenue-generating                                                                                              
agency.  Increasing reliance from                                                                                               
other funding sources.                                                                                                          
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Co-Chair Therriault                                                                                                             
Example of other gf funding                                                                                                     
sources                                                                                                                         
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Jeff Bush                                                                                                                       
Insurance premium tax; licensees                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bush                                                                                                                        
Changes to budget by reducing                                                                                                   
costs to the Commissioner office.                                                                                               
Relying more on fees paid to                                                                                                    
agency.  The Commissioner is paid                                                                                               
for out of the general fund.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bush                                                                                                                        
The second change is a transfer of                                                                                              
the Intl Trade program and still                                                                                                
operating in the Department of                                                                                                  
Commerce and Economic Development                                                                                               
and the funds are RSA'd back.                                                                                                   
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Mr. Bush                                                                                                                        
Increase to the data processing                                                                                                 
staff - change #3                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bush                                                                                                                        
Converted from the Wang to the                                                                                                  
Oracle.  The Department has many                                                                                                
activities that require the                                                                                                     
requested positions.  Those                                                                                                     
positions will need a manager and                                                                                               
are proposing a DP manager funded                                                                                               
through inter agency receipts.                                                                                                  
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Co-Chair Therriault                                                                                                             
Is this a new effort                                                                                                            
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Jeff Bush                                                                                                                       
Program receipts would have to                                                                                                  
increase fees to cover increased                                                                                                
costs.  It is not a direct link.                                                                                                
The cost of something this small                                                                                                
would be quite small.                                                                                                           
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Co-Chair Therriault                                                                                                             
Asked the level of discussion with                                                                                              
the user groups                                                                                                                 
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Jeff Bush                                                                                                                       
Replied that there are more                                                                                                     
complaints for lack of service                                                                                                  
that there is for a raise of fees.                                                                                              
License fees have been reduced                                                                                                  
over the current year.  Better                                                                                                  
accounting system.  75%of                                                                                                       
complaints are due to reductions;                                                                                               
lack of service.                                                                                                                
745                                                                                                                             
Representative G.                                                                                                               
Davis                                                                                                                           
Thought that the language shows                                                                                                 
that the current computer system                                                                                                
will cost a lot more to operate.                                                                                                
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Jeff Bush                                                                                                                       
Replied that the department is not                                                                                              
doing a good  job in data base                                                                                                  
management.  Need resources to                                                                                                  
reconvert the current system.                                                                                                   
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Mr. Bush                                                                                                                        
Banking securities adding an                                                                                                    
examiner.  The department is                                                                                                    
experiencing a tremendous growth.                                                                                               
Alaska Native Corporation proxy                                                                                                 
authority.  No new staff since the                                                                                              
1980's and are requesting 1 staff                                                                                               
member to help with the growth.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bush                                                                                                                        
The Department of Law services and                                                                                              
Department of Commerce and                                                                                                      
Economic Development have to hire                                                                                               
one another.  Department of                                                                                                     
Commerce and Economic Development                                                                                               
now must hire the Department of                                                                                                 
Law to represent that Department.                                                                                               
The estimate is $45 thousand                                                                                                    
dollars would cover that cost.  A                                                                                               
hearing officer can not represent                                                                                               
the Department.                                                                                                                 
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Mr. Bush                                                                                                                        
$40 thousand dollar increment for                                                                                               
a hearing officer support.                                                                                                      
Historically, Occupational license                                                                                              
fees paid that position.  The                                                                                                   
auditor, the department is                                                                                                      
requesting that banking pay its                                                                                                 
fair share of those expenses.                                                                                                   
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Mr. Bush                                                                                                                        
APUC is requesting 9 new                                                                                                        
positions.  To handle the growth                                                                                                
in that caseload which is 81%                                                                                                   
above the four-year average.                                                                                                    
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Co-Chair Therriault                                                                                                             
Pointed out automatically charged                                                                                               
back                                                                                                                            
1113                                                                                                                            
Representative                                                                                                                  
Bunde                                                                                                                           
Charging back for services?                                                                                                     
1140                                                                                                                            
Jeff Bush                                                                                                                       
Pointed out that the agency                                                                                                     
collects much more than those                                                                                                   
costs.  Their receipts have                                                                                                     
doubled in the past ten years.                                                                                                  
Those filings have increased                                                                                                    
dramatically. Are currently overly                                                                                              
collecting                                                                                                                      
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Representative                                                                                                                  
Williams                                                                                                                        
Commented on the fiscal gap and                                                                                                 
the requested increases.  He asked                                                                                              
for the Department to provide a                                                                                                 
spending plan and possible                                                                                                      
transfer of services to Department                                                                                              
of Natural Resources .                                                                                                          
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Jeff Bush                                                                                                                       
Referenced the handout; Page 17                                                                                                 
which show all the saving money                                                                                                 
options.  Reductions below those                                                                                                
considered would be detrimental to                                                                                              
the Department                                                                                                                  
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Representative                                                                                                                  
Williams                                                                                                                        
Data processing additions - are                                                                                                 
they necessary                                                                                                                  
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Jeff  Bush                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
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TOM LAWSON,                                                                                                                     
DIRECTOR, DIVISION                                                                                                              
OF ADMINISTRATIVE                                                                                                               
SERVICES,                                                                                                                       
DEPARTMENT OF                                                                                                                   
COMMERCE AND                                                                                                                    
ECONOMIC                                                                                                                        
DEVELOPMENT                                                                                                                     
Pointed out that there currently 5                                                                                              
staff serving the entire                                                                                                        
department.  The Wang system was                                                                                                
not Y2K compliant.  The bottom                                                                                                  
line is that the needs of the                                                                                                   
banking, insurance people need                                                                                                  
more info on line.  Things have                                                                                                 
changed and there are now internet                                                                                              
demands.  Would like to have the                                                                                                
increments without using general                                                                                                
funds.                                                                                                                          
1413                                                                                                                            
Representative G.                                                                                                               
Davis                                                                                                                           
New program is costing more to                                                                                                  
operate.  He pointed out that the                                                                                               
licensing and fees and the                                                                                                      
increase and how it affects the                                                                                                 
public.  He questioned the                                                                                                      
problem.                                                                                                                        
1465                                                                                                                            
Representative                                                                                                                  
Kohring                                                                                                                         
Questioned the comments of Rep                                                                                                  
Williams. He asked about the                                                                                                    
Division of Tourism.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HFC 99-6, Side 1                                                                                                                
TAPE CHANGE                                                                                                                     
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Mr. Bush                                                                                                                        
Replied that the Department is                                                                                                  
expending a lot of time and energy                                                                                              
addressing the concern with                                                                                                     
tourism and industry.  Department                                                                                               
of Commerce and Economic                                                                                                        
Development supports last years                                                                                                 
legislation and are trying to                                                                                                   
determine a direction to take with                                                                                              
the Industry.                                                                                                                   
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Representative                                                                                                                  
Kohring                                                                                                                         
Asked if there was statutory                                                                                                    
authority and past legislation                                                                                                  
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Jeff Bush                                                                                                                       
There are aspects that of that                                                                                                  
area.                                                                                                                           
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Mr. Bush                                                                                                                        
Continued                                                                                                                       
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Co-Chair Therriault                                                                                                             
Asked where the generic marketing                                                                                               
of the State could be cut down                                                                                                  
370                                                                                                                             
Mr. Bush                                                                                                                        
Pointed out that the agency was                                                                                                 
cut seven years ago eliminating                                                                                                 
much marketing.  That total budget                                                                                              
was $5.2 million dollars                                                                                                        
404                                                                                                                             
Co-Chair Therriault                                                                                                             
Noted that Princess and Holland                                                                                                 
America market mystic of state                                                                                                  
consolidated efforts                                                                                                            
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Representative                                                                                                                  
Foster                                                                                                                          
Stated that in Bush Alaska do not                                                                                               
have any Department of Commerce                                                                                                 
and Economic Development                                                                                                        
employees. He spoke against fees                                                                                                
for Bush Area as they put business                                                                                              
out of business. Do not adjust the                                                                                              
user fees.                                                                                                                      
600                                                                                                                             
Representative                                                                                                                  
Austerman                                                                                                                       
Added that one quarter of the                                                                                                   
state employees have been pulled                                                                                                
out of rural Alaska.                                                                                                            
650                                                                                                                             
Co-Chair Therriault                                                                                                             
Stated that Co-Chair Mulder had                                                                                                 
asked that he chair the Department                                                                                              
of Commerce and Economic                                                                                                        
Development Subcommittee.                                                                                                       
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Co-Chair Therriault                                                                                                             
Adjourned the meeting at 2:55 P.M.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                                         
LOG NOTES                                                                                                                       
January 26, 1999                                                                                                                
H.F.C. 8 1/26/99                                                                                                                

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